2019 01 12/5:00a.m. an edtd nsert:
it seems wise for me to clarify my position/undrstndng of th value of th literary collectvs known as th bible/bblcl txts...i am most confidnt of th follwng sttmnt being true & applicbl to ths day; wth regards to God's Nspird Word thru thoze who were so nspird to hear, speak & documnt wht they heard...
2peter 1:16-21 (rfrnc: ntrlnear hbrw, greek & nglish; biblehub.com)
16For we did not follow cleverly devised tales when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, “This is My beloved Son with whom I am well-pleased”— 18and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
19So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
i am convincd tht th above statmnt equally applies to all who God so nspird, ncluddng, th apostle paul's nspird writngs thru his eyewitness of Th Christ, Yeshua per visions...tht said, th nonauthorizd, nonauthntcatd & not divinly nspird ancient copies of th Nspird Words of God, hold no equivalncy to, no authority of & no authntcatn wth or as God's Nspird & Nfaliabl Word...God's Nspirid & Nfalibl Word Source to us, since th authorzd, authntctd & equivlnts bcame unavailbl to ppl, is only Th Holy Spirit...
in general, as far as th various bibles/bblcl txt collectives go & th ancient copies they r said to b trnslatd & thus ntrpretd from, i wud rank them as th most reliable resources, widely available to date...& ths, wth regards to general/univrsl spirtiul truths, scienctfc method science & th documentation of ancient & recent events...(note: ths gnrl conclusn does resids n th venue of my reltvly limitd xperence & knowledge)...wth regards to specifc/ndividual spiritul guidance & certain specfc social issues, they also fall short/fail, as all man-made/manufracturd thngs; mankind's nstitutns & decrees do evntully...
wth regards to th claims of such literary wrks being equal to God's Nspired & Nfaliable Word, my research concludd tht no such guarantee/certifictn/authntctn has been providd...it seems to me tht th orgn of my assumptn/presumptn tht th bible/bblcl txts were equal to/carried th same authrty as God's Nspired & Nfaliabl Word, came from ppl tellng me so... howevr, my own seekng via Th Holy Spirit has shwn me othrwise...
there4, th man-handlng/manipulatn/actual lineage of th ancient scrolls & manuscripts thus found; from th dead sea scrolls, to th greek septuigant, th roman vulgate, th masoretc txt & all similarly dated ancient copies, leaves me unconvincd/wthout proof or guarantee/authntcatn, tht such copies r n anyway authorizd & claimd by God as being equal to God's Nspired & Nfaliabl Word....
futhrmore; if it is agreed upon tht rvltns 22:18-19 is God's standard for Godly authntcatn of wht God considrs God's Nspird & Nfaliabl Word, then what scroll, manuscrpt or collectvs/cannonizd collctn, can b so authtcatd...? i've nevr seen or read any of th ancient copies for myslf. Th Holy Spirit has not enbled me to hv access to such ancient copies to evn translate them or read them n th native transcript...studyng, th vast & quite varied/contradctv nterprtatns of othr ppls, of said ancient copies, gvs me absolutely 0 confidence or assurance, tht such persons ndividully or as a collctv, were Nspird by God to ntrpret & translate said ancient copies & to present such ntrpretatns & translatns "versions" as God's Nspird & Nfaliabl Word...
1) Yeshua, Th Christ, promises a Counslor of Truth; Who is ths Counslr...? jhn 1,14-16, rmns 8...
2) where n any of th bible/bblcl txt collectvs or th ancient scrolls & manuscrptd copies from whch they r translatd & thus ntreprtd from, does it depict God authorizng tht such ancient copies b collectd, "canonizd" & transcriptd n2 th multitudes of various "bible/bblcl txt versions"...?
*xamples of some nconsstnt & some contradctory bible/bblcl terms & teachngs:
th terms nations, families & or tribes, translatd as "races" has absolutely no scientifc method science/biologcl applctn whtsoevr...darwinism-evolutnism/a racist supposng/religious blief systm, bgan to use th term "races"; whch is most liken to th term "species" i.e. th human race/species; nordr to force/propagandz a distnctn among ppl basd upon how much or lttl melanin 1 has n their skin, primarily...th least amount of apparent melanin, n 1s' skin, convincd thez of ths racist prsuasion, tht such ppl were superior than ppl wth more apparent melaninatd skin...it there4, seems to me, tht eithr th continued use of ths derogatory term is eithr of th most ignorant mistake or of th most wicked ntent...whch evr is th case, makng distnctn among ppl as to not being of th same human race, grossly contrdcts othr bible/blbcl txt translatns, ntrpretatns & mplctans...
compare th contxt of acts 17:26 (& th nterlinr hbrew, greek & nglish versions)
26and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, 27that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ 29“Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. 30“Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”
Weymouth New Testament
He caused to spring from one forefather people of every race, for them to live on the whole surface of the earth, and marked out for them an appointed span of life and the boundaries of their homes;
note: [applicbl science & personl xperiencs of a comprehensv sample of ppl wrld wide, demonstrats tht less melanin, n th skin & eyes, n partculr, is associated wth th hghr risk of skin cancr, sun burnrt skin & othr skin failings...it has also been statd tht ppl wth relatvly melanin rich skin tones, who tend to wrk & reside n doors may acquire vitamin d deficiencies due to too littl sun xposure...richly melaniated skin protects against th sun rays & is said to protect th person/skin from producng toxic levels of vtiamin d...there4, thoz wth white to pale skin may b abl to produce more vitamin d n a lessr amount of time n nonorganc nvrnmnts; ovr crowdd cities, surburbs & ndoors...but for people who live more organic lifestyles, reside & wrk n th sun most of th time & who hv sufficient melanin skin & eye protectn, will not tend to acquire sun damagd skin or b ovr xposd to tht natural vitamin d productn process-won't tend to produce toxic levels of vitamin d...]
*othr xmples of ignorant or wicked uses of th term "races: n th bbl/bblcl txt...
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Good News Translation
From one human being he created all races of people and made them live throughout the whole earth. He himself fixed beforehand the exact times and the limits of the places where they would live.
Bible SearchEsther 3:8 Then Haman said to King Xerxes, "There is a certain ...
... Then Haman approached King Xerxes and said, "There is a certain race of people
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Good News Translation
So Haman told the king, "There is a certain race of people scattered all over your empire and found in every province. They observe customs that are not like those of any other people. Moreover, they do not obey the laws of the empire, so it is not in your best interests to tolerate them.
New Living Translation
Then Haman approached King Xerxes and said, "There is a certain race of people scattered through all the provinces of your empire who keep themselves separate from everyone else. Their laws are different from those of any other people, and they refuse to obey the laws of the king. So it is not in the king's interest to let them live.
Bible SearchDaniel 3:7 Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn ...
... So at the sound of the musical instruments, all the people, whatever their race
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New Living Translation
So at the sound of the musical instruments, all the people, whatever their race or nation or language, bowed to the ground and worshiped the gold statue that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
Good News Translation
And so, as soon as they heard the sound of the instruments, the people of all the nations, races, and languages bowed down and worshiped the gold statue which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.
Bible SearchDaniel 3:29 Therefore I decree that the people of any nation or ...
... Therefore, I make this decree: If any people, whatever their race or nation or language,
speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they ...
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New Living Translation
Therefore, I make this decree: If any people, whatever their race or nation or language, speak a word against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they will be torn limb from limb, and their houses will be turned into heaps of rubble. There is no other god who can rescue like this!"
Contemporary English Version
And I won't allow people of any nation or race to say anything against their God. Anyone who does will be chopped up and their houses will be torn down, because no other god has such great power to save.
Good News Translation
"And now I command that if anyone of any nation, race, or language speaks disrespectfully of the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, he is to be torn limb from limb, and his house is to be made a pile of ruins. There is no other god who can rescue like this."
*anothr term tht was seemngly, arbitrairly & thus naccuratly, ntrpretd & translatd is th greek term "ekklesia"...th conventionl translatd term is "church"...
basd on th contxt of th term "ekklesia", my definition wud b an allegorical & metaphorcl comparison wth th phrase & ceremonies referd to as a gathrng of "th first fruits of th harvest" & th actual ceremonial 7 first fruits of tht tithe feastvl...wth th 1st century blievers being th actuall 1st fruits of harvest of Th Holy Spirit...
my descriptn may b considr a gnrl combo of;
my prefrrd definitn/descriptn implies tht most of th "new testamnt" Nspired Word by God, was primarily for & spefc to tht 1st generatn of blievrs & practicinrs of Christ Yeshua's gospel...
some othr dfntns & descrptns of "church":
Origin of churchbefore 900; Middle English chir(i)che, Old English cir(i)ce ≪ Greek kȳri(a)kón ( dôma ) the Lord's (house), neuter of kȳriakós of the master, equivalent to kȳ́ri(os ) master ( kŷr(os ) power + -ios noun suffix) + -akos, variant of -ikos -ic; akin to Dutch kerk,German Kirche, Old Norse kirkja. See kirk
THE CORRECT MEANING OF "CHURCH"
(accordng to ths site)
(The following information is from ACMTC Library and BenWilliamsLibrary.com)Let's start by defining the word. "Church" comes from the Old English and German word pronounced "kirche." In Scotland, it was "kirk."
The following entries are from the Oxford Universal English Dictionary:
Church [Old English cirice, circe; Middle English chereche, chiriche, chirche; whence churche, cherche, etc.: -Greek Kuriakon...]
Kirk The Northern English and Scottish form of CHURCH, in all its senses.
In the earlier Greek It was pronounced "ku-ri-a-kos" or "ku-ri-a-kon."As you can see, this word doesn't even resemble the Greek word "ecclesia" whose place it has usurped. The meaning of "Ku-ri-a-kos" is understood by its root: "Ku- ri-os," which means "lord." Thus, "kuriakos" (i.e., "church") means "pertaining to the lord." It refers to something that pertains to, or belongs to, a lord. The Greek "kuriakos"eventually came to be used in Old English form as "cirice" (Kee-ree-ke), then "churche" (kerke), and eventually "church" in its traditional pronunciation. A church, then, is correctly something that "pertains to, or belongs to, a lord."
THE CORRECT MEANING OF "ECCLESIA"
(accordng to ths site)
Now, let's look at the word, "ecclesia". This Greek word appears in the New Testament approximately 115 times. That's just in this one grammatical form. It appears also in other forms. And in every instance, except three, it is wrongly translated as "church" in the King James Version. Those three exceptions are found in Acts 19:32, 39, 41. In these instances the translators rendered it "assembly" instead of "church." But, the Greek word is exactly the same as the other 112 entries where it was changed to "church" wrongly.
In Acts 19, "ecclesia" is a town council: a civil body in Ephesus. Thus, the translators were forced to abandon their fake translation in these three instances. Nonetheless, 112 times they changed it to "church."This fact has been covered-up under centuries of misuse and ignorance. The Greek word "ecclesia" is correctly defined as: "The called-out (ones)" [ECC = out; KALEO = call]. Thus, you can see how this word was used to indicate a civil body of select (called, elected) people.
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica:
In the New Testament, "ecclesia" (signifying convocation) is the only single word used for church. It (ecclesia) was the name given to the governmental assembly of the city of Athens, duly convoked (called out) by proper officers and possessing all political power including even juridical functions.
Obviously, in Greece an ecclesia had no resemblance to a church. An"ecclesia" was a civil assembly in Athens even before the writing of the New Testament. In the Oxford Universal English Dictionary (considered the standard for the English language) the word "ecclesia"is listed in its English form as used by our English forefathers. (Nowadays, only forms of the word appear - like, "ecclesiastical").
Quoting from the Oxford Universal English Dictionary on the word "ecclesia":
Ecclesia [mediaeval Latin, and Greek - from : SUMMONED] -A regularly convoked assembly, especially the general assembly of Athenians. Later, the regular word for church.
Thus, two of the most prestigious word resources in the English language confirm the fact that an "ecclesia" was originally a select civil body, summoned or convoked for a particular purpose. What, then, did the writers of the New Testament mean when they used the word "ecclesia" to describe a Christian body of people? We can assume that they intended to convey the original Greek meaning of the word: a body of Christians called out of the Roman and Judean system to come together into a separate civil community. It meant a politically autonomous body of Christians under no king but Jesus; under no other jurisdiction but that of Jesus. No man ruled them! Only Christ. And that was the reason these same Christians ran into trouble with kings and rulers; were arrested, crucified and martyred. They dropped Caesar as their King and took up Christ.
(offers a similr definitn for "church")
*anothr term seemngly arbitraily translatd is th greek term "arsenokoites" whn i lookd up th term n strong's concordance, it seem translatd as "men who carry mats or men carryng mats; & implied, for th purpose of ilicit sexual activities...
now 1 may speculate all they like, as to ths greek term's true & specifc meanng of God's ntent/will...but tht is all we may do...we may not arbitrairly decide as if wth God's presumd authority, to it meanng & thus applicble ntent for thez days...th term as thus ntrpretd & trnslatd only refers to men & is said to imply ilicit sexual activity...tht's all we may b able to agree upon...
-to add to or take away from ths circumstance, is it not n oppostn to th warnng of revelatn 22:18-19; if such may b applied to all such bible/blblcl txt writngs...?
-ezekial 16 discusses & depicts wht...?
-how many times & where does th bible/bblcl txt specfcly depict tht men should not lie dwn wth anothr man as 1 mght wth a woman (for sex)...?
-how many times & where does th bbl/bblcl txt specfcly depict tht women should not lie down wth anthr woman ( for sex)...?
-were th men who were beatng on lot's door, actually homosexual (lovng) orientatd men or heterosxual abusive & violent men...?
-gvn roman culture n th times Christ Yeshua walkd th erth, wht is likely th special rlthnshp btwn th roman centurion & his "pais"...? matt 8:5-13 & luke 7:1-10...notng tht youths of thoz days, may hv ncludd all who were not of fghtng age; prhaps up to 21 yrs of age...
*othr nconsstencies & wide nonagreemnts r wth th issues of women's & men's roles n leadrshp, marriage, family, love & etc...
i suggest readng john temple's bristow book;
What Paul Really Said About Women: The Apostle's Liberating Views on Equality in Marriage, Leadership, and Love by Bristow, John T. (1991) Paperback
*some othr major bbl/bblcl txt controversl doctrines & denomntnl dividrs r:
-how comprhnsv is "Christ died, once for all"...?
-r we authorizd to state our opinions, speculations & personal bliefs wth regards to th bble & bblcal undrstndng, as authorttv for othr ppls...?
-who is of/n Th Kingdom Of God & who isn't...?
-wht is th applcabl communal structure for blievers & practicnrs of Christ Yeshua, thez "modern days"...?
-who has authority of God's Kingdom n thez "modern days"...?
-do th bbl/bblcl txtdo require/depict tht we need to heed as authortatv vessels of Christ Yeshua,"pastors", "bishops", "priests", "teachrs", "evnglists", "ovrseers" & etc...?
-how does 1 gets saved/redemd by Christ Yeshua...?
-is there a place for /value of "apostolc gifts". for thez "modern days"...?
-were th angels who rproducd wth daughtrs of men, "fallen angels"-gns 6: 1-4
fact, no where n bbls/bblcl texts, ive read does God refer to "fallen angels" as "sons of God"...
-where is gehennen, hades & th place for punishmnt & death & who goes to thoz places; whn & for how long...gns rvltn 16-18, 20 & 22:18-19
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i am of th crrnt undstndng & convictn tht the time of the ekklesia is past, those first-fruits had a specific calling, "to be the first ones call out".
each age, had its specific calling. after the messianic-apostolic-ekklesia age, God's Holy Spirit leads God's people as individuals. we may gather and fellowship and encourage one another, but there are no elected, divinely chosen leaders over God's people. everyone is led individually by God's Holy Spirit. conventional religion has lost its way in many ways. however, those who objective is to love, serve, and encourage, do well.
16“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; 17that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you. 18“I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19“After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also. 20“In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21“He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”
25“These things I have spoken to you while abiding with you. 26“But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8“My Father is glorified by this, that you bear much fruit, and so prove to be My disciples.
26“When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, 27and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
5“But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6“But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8“And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. 12“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13“But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14“He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15“All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.
8Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. 11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. 12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
2019 01 13/4:14a.m.
i wud ask tht we each ask G.O.D., for ourslvs; any & all questions & then wait on God's enablng...more specfclly, wth controversies, whch seem to hv equall amounts of repetition depictd n th bbl/bblcl txtx, prhps we mght ask, "how mght both b true..."? "n wht scenario, cud both b applcbl"...? ths approach mght prove more beneficial than arbitrailty pickng 1 depiction ovr anothr...e.g., a type of "2nd death punshmnt" along wth God's will tht all b saved & come to th knwldg of th truth...